| CMU Daily - on the inside Monday 20th June |
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In today's CMU Daily:
- Sanctuary share price falls as profits warning issued
- Jono Coleman goes to BBC London
- U2 get lifetime achievement gong at charity awards
- Erasure use new technology to run fan remix competition
- Xfm looking to take on Radio 1 as they go national
- Album Review: Olvis - The Blue Sound
- Gallagher defends no Live 8 decision
- Stevie Wonder pays fire victims funeral expenses
- Rapper Cassidy faces murder charges
- Paul Weller adds dates to tour
- Elbow playback at NFT
- Keane get 'raw and funky'
- New Snow Patrol album might take a while
- Razorlight bassist wants a go at a blueprint
- Album Review: Nine Black Alps - Everything Is
- Chart update
- Jacko planning post-trial party
- Karma Download launch new charts
- Heineken launch download promotion with Wippit
- Music fans would prefer to pay for P2P than use iTunes or Napster
- Single Review: Free Repeater - Columbian Bills
- Jerry Lee Lewis completes sixth divorce
- Joss stone fed up of La La
- Mariah Carey prefers gay men
- Queen buys iPod
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SANCTUARY SHARE PRICE FALLS AS PROFITS WARNING ISSUED
The share price of London based independent music company Sanctuary fell sharply at the end of last week after management warned that a combination of delayed releases and expansion costs would hit profits hard.
Sanctuary warned investors that profits for the first six months of the current financial year would be down 40% compared with the same period last year. Bosses said the "significant slippage" was down to a reduction in the number of key releases within their recordings division, which affected both overall revenues and profits.
The announcement wasn't a complete surprise. The company's executive chairman, Andy Taylor, warned back in Mar that, like last year, figures for the first half of the financial year would be lower than for the second, adding that this year "the disparity between the halves will be more marked than hitherto".
Nevertheless, once the specifics of the profits slide were announced shares fell just over 29% to 30.5 pence. Sanctuary bosses tried to reassure the investment community by saying they were undertaking a "thorough review" of the business in order to improve cash generation and profitability, and reduce its long-term debts.
However company bosses had no more to say on their recent admission they were considered looking for a buyer to acquire the company. On that the company said last week: "In response to speculation about a potential offer for the group, the board has nothing to add at this stage".
Fingers crossed the profits slide is a temporary glitch for Sanctuary because their interesting business model (they are unique in having companies that deal in recordings (labels and studios), management, publishing and live music) might just be the future of the music industry.
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JONO COLEMAN GOES TO BBC LONDON
It's seems Jono Coleman just can't bear the thought of life without a breakfast show to present. After getting axed from the Virgin Radio breakfast show he quickly set up shop on Heart 106.2's primetime slot and now, having been axed from their to make way for Jamie Theakston, he's now landed himself the breakfast programme on BBC London.
Heart dumped Coleman in favour of Theakston in a schedule revamp earlier this year, despite the fact Jono's breakfast show continued to compete well against Johnny Vaughan on Capital FM. Coleman moved within the Chrysalis Radio group to take over the weekend morning show on London talk station LBC. Insiders say that Jono had been pushing for a daily show from the minute he arrived at the station, but LBC bosses were never too keen on giving up primetime airtime to their new presenter, who had been given the LBC show mainly to stop him jumping ship to Heart rival Magic.
Presumably Chrysalis will be happier with their former front man hosting a show on the BBC rather than EMAP's Magic, although it will be interesting to see what effect Coleman's return to the capital's breakfast show race will have on Heart's prime time ratings. He will take over from Danny Baker, who announced he was quitting BBC London's breakfast show to concentrate on other projects earlier this year.
Confirming his appointment at BBC London, Jono told reporters on Friday: "I'm honoured to be back at the BBC. I'm sure my listeners will be glad to have me back five days a week".
David Robey, BBC London's Managing Editor added: "There could be no bigger shoes to fill than Danny Baker's, but I believe we've got the man in Jono."
Meanwhile a spokesman for LBC commented: "We wish Jono well. We were glad to offer him a port in a storm after Heart and we wish him all the best."
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U2 GET LIFETIME ACHIEVEMENT GONG AT CHARITY AWARDS
U2 have been presented with a Lifetime Achievement Award at the 30th Nordoff-Robbins Silver Clef Awards, the annual awards event designed to raise funds for the music therapy charity.
Picking up his band's award, Bono told the Silver Clef audience: "I'm standing here as the lucky member of a great band". He continuing by urging that the nation get behind the upcoming Live 8 concerts, saying: "I don't think it's the pop stars or the musicians that the politicians are afraid of, it's the audience. They are young people and they can change things."
Live 8 organiser Bob Geldof was also recognised at the event, winning an International Award for his work supporting developing countries in Africa.
Other winners included Natasha Bedingfield, Lemar, Razorlight and McFly, while The Who were given a 30th Anniversary Award and Welsh opera star Katherine Jenkins won the Classical Award.
An auction of rock memorabilia was also staged which raised £338,000 for the Nordoff-Robins charity.
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ERASURE USE NEW TECHNOLOGY TO RUN FAN REMIX COMPETITION
Erasure are using that previously reported remix software to run a remix competition among their fans. The next Erasure single, a double a-side featuring 'Here I Go Impossible Again' and 'All This Time Still Falling Out Of Love', will come with a multi-media session using Digimpro's 'di music' technology. This means fans who buy the single will be able to pop the CD into their PC and have a go at remixing the first track. The di music technology outputs each punter's mix as an MP3. Remixers can then email in their mix - with fans invited to then vote for their favourites, with the band due to pick an overall winner.
Commenting on the remix promotion, Erasure's Andy Bell told reporters: "We have been bombarded with requests to include the di music player on more singles, our fans have absolutely loved it. So we thought it would be great to give exposure to some of the better remixes of the new single and showcase the work of our fans. With the di player we are able to explore our own creativity further, whilst giving fans the same ability to also get creative with the music and give it their personal touch".
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XFM LOOKING TO TAKE ON RADIO 1 AS THEY GO NATIONAL
Xfm are planning to take on Radio 1, or at least that's what the Guardian reckons. On a roll following OfCom's decision to award them the new analogue licence, GCap's alternative station say they are now seriously set on becoming a national radio station, and will look to steal the guitar rock fans among Radio 1's national audience.
The Manchester win is just one albeit high profile stage in Xfm's bid to become a national radio station. It has been slowly building a non-London audience via its online, Sky and Cable broadcasts for a while now, and has played a key role in promoting digital radio technology to the early adopters that form a natural part of its constituency - Xfm is available in most UK cities on digital. And Manchester isn't the only analogue licence the station has its eyes on.
The Guardian quote Xfm MD Graham Bryce as saying: "Our strategy is to build a national business, be that via analogue, digital or other means. The next big one is the north-east, Newcastle-Sunderland area, and there's every likelihood we'll go for that."
Bryce is bullish about his station's plans to challenge the nation's favourite: "Frankly, we're more creative and innovative than they are. They've been around a long time and they're quite stuck in their ways - I think we should shake the radio market up a little. People who love guitar rock, we know through research, often don't like pop or urban. They have to put up with the urban record to get to the one they actually want to listen to. It may take a while to match their audience levels, but as digital takes off they're going to come under a lot of pressure".
Of course Xfm constantly faces the challenge of using its 'cool status' to build the kind of ratings that enables it to hike up advertising rates, but without alienating that niche group of listeners whose loyalty gives the station its coolness in the first place - no easy task in the commercial sector, especially when you've got a radio ratings system which ignores the student population, who make up a sizable portion of Xfm's listeners.
Reaching out to natural listeners elsewhere in the UK is certainly preferable to watering down the music policy to appeal to a bigger London audience, though it remains to be seen if the commercial pressures of going national won't, in themselves, require a more mainstream approach which could further damage the Xfm brand for those core listeners. And of course, any battle to take on Radio 1 might be less realistic once the guitar rock genre ceases to be in vogue (which is currently due to happen in Apr 2006).
But anyway, let's hope they succeed, Xfm still being one of the few truly exciting forces in British radio.
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ALBUM REVIEW: Olvis - The Blue Sound (Resonant)
If you're a fan of shoe-gazing, post-rock, ambient electronica and all that sort of caboodle, then you'll be in safe hands here with these lush imaginary soundtracks. The reference points are as you'd expect: Air (when they were good), Mogwai, Ulrich Schnauss, Sigur Ros (two of whom guest on 'The Blue Sound') and even modern classical composers like Glass or Nyman, whilst fans of Radiohead's more cerebral offerings will find much to enjoy here. Coming from Iceland, the music inevitably warrants the epithet 'glacial', whilst the word 'cinematic' is also particularly apt. Each track is a four minute symphony; in lesser hands, the temptation might have been to stretch each piece beyond manageable length, but Olvis wisely keeps each fragment short and sweet, in the process managing to be epic without ever feeling overblown. Were it not full of dreamy, Icelandic vocals (Olvis sings on six tracks; the rest are instrumental), 'Time Capsule' could be the sort of thing Bent, Zero 7 and Dynamo Dresden do when they're on form (don't be surprised if you see much of this album on chill-out compilations or hijacked by overpaid advertising bods). Both 'Acid Trip Festival' (moody choral synth stabs juxtaposed nicely against gorgeous jazzy sax and twangy guitars) and 'Mental Freedom' (melancholy piano chords and valvey 70s keyboards), could've come from Pink Floyd's 'Dark Side Of The Moon', or even 'Live At Pompeii', whilst the vast swathes of sound on 'Warfare And Welfare' are equally redolent of an awesome endless volcanic landscape. An engaging album, but one you'll be more than happy to just drift off to. Lovely stuff. MS
Released date: 6 Jun
Press contact: Resonant IH [all]
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GALLAGHER DEFENDS NO LIVE 8 DECISION
Noel Gallagher has defended his band's decision to not play Live 8 next month. As previously reported, Oasis were initially rumoured to be taking part in Bob Geldof's protest-fest, but then it transpired they wouldn't be playing because they were already booked to play a gig in Manchester that day.
Gallagher told reporters "if it was possible, it would be nice to take part", but added that he didn't buy this idea that every rock star had a duty to drop everything just because there was a benefit gig taking place. While stressing he wasn't criticising Geldof, Gallagher said: "It's that general thing that rock stars should be doing something to fucking sort this out. And it's like, 'Well, all right, that's what (U2's) Bono and (Coldplay's Chris) Martin are for'. I don't like the way that somebody suddenly decides that all the bands in England are going to fuckin' play and everybody jumps to attention."
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STEVIE WONDER PAYS FIRE VICTIMS FUNERAL EXPENSES
Stevie Wonder is to pay the funeral expenses of five children who were tragically killed in a house fire in Philadelphia on 12 Jun, and hopes to meet with the bereaved families when he visits the city on 2 Jul for the Live 8 concert. The fire cost the lives of three sisters, Summer Cooke, Samantha Bowers and Sabrina Dickson, and their cousins Amber Johnson and Reginald Ringgold, the eldest of whom was five years old.
Wonder's publicist, Ira Tucker, said that the singing star was heartbroken when he heard about the tragedy, and wanted to do something to help, and added: "I don't think he's ever done anything like this before. It's just good that something can be lifted from them."
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RAPPER CASSIDY FACES MURDER CHARGES
US hip-hop up-and-comer Cassidy turned himself in on Friday afternoon in Philadelphia, after the police issued a warrant for his arrest on Thursday in connection with a shooting in the city on 15 Apr. The police allege that Cassidy, real name Barry Reese, was one of three men who riddled a car with bullets as it sat in a driveway in the rapper's neighbourhood, resulting in the death of a 22 year old man, Desmond Hawkins, and the serious injury of two companions.
Cassidy's new album 'I'm A Hustla' is set for release at the end of this month, and the title track recently peaked at 5 on the Billboard rap chart.
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PAUL WELLER ADDS DATES TO TOUR
Paul Weller has added some extra dates to his scheduled tour and will now additionally play at Belfast's Ulster Hall on 11 Dec, and at Dublin's Olympia on 12 and 13 Dec. Weller begins the tour at the Usher Hall in Edinburgh on 11 Nov, and a new album 'As Is Now' is set for release in Oct, preceded by the single release of 'From The Floorboards Up', due on 17 Jul.
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ELBOW PLAYBACK AT NFT
Elbow's third album, 'Leaders Of The Free World' is to get a public playback at the National Film Theatre and will be accompanied by videos for each single made by The Soup Collective, alongside specially created visuals.
The band's Guy Garvey told the BBC "It borders on art installation. That usually involves becoming a pretentious twat [but] we've just been having fun with our mates and turfed out a top record at the end of it."
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KEANE GET 'RAW AND FUNKY'
Keane's Tom Chaplin has spoken to MTV News about the direction of the band's new album. The singer said "Tim [Rice-Oxley] has come up with a bunch of really exciting songs. It's the early stages, but there's definitely a sound coming together, and it's just a matter of getting it all on tape and sounding good. We definitely don't want it to sound too polished or easy, we want something more raw and funky and exciting that reflects our live show more."
He continued: "I'm incredibly proud of the first record and I wouldn't change a thing about it. It's about our time together and the seven years it took to get here, but we want to move forward and take a bold step in another direction."
The band have been on tour in the US, but plan to start work on the follow up to 2004 debut 'Hopes And Fears' now that it's over. They expect to release the new album early in 2006.
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NEW SNOW PATROL ALBUM MIGHT TAKE A WHILE
Elsewhere in bands-working-on-their-new-albums news, and whilst the Snow Patrol have started work on the follow up to 'Final Straw', the band's Gary Lightbody has told NME.com that the record is coming on pretty slowly. The singer said: "It's very early stages, which you know, for anybody that might like Snow Patrol, it's been a while since 'Final Straw', that was 2003 if you bought it the first time it was released. We realise that time was ticking on, but we have been on tour solidly for two years, so it's not all our fault, but we could maybe have got it a bit further on, but we can't force it either."
Commenting on the reaction to the new songs that the group have been debuting whilst on tour in America, Lightbody said "There's one song, 'Chasing Cars', which everybody seems to be saying positive things about. It's slightly more upbeat or something. I don't know exactly what the difference is, but maybe we're not being afraid to make a bolder statement, before we were maybe a little bit shy. This time we're making a bloody racket!"
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RAZORLIGHT BASSIST WANTS A GO AT A BLUEPRINT
And yet more from the file marked bands-working-on-their-new-albums. NME.com, who recently reported that Razorlight singer Johnny Borrell and drummer Andy Burrows had outlined how they want their new album to sound then sealed the details up in an envelope, now report that bassist Carl Dalemo wants to add his input. Dalemo said "I haven't seen Andy and Johnny's blueprint. I should probably do one myself and put it in the same envelope and see how right I was. I don't know what they did but I think they wrote the songs down they thought would be on the album."
He continued: "We're supposed to get a rehearsal space during the summer. We'll be writing and recording as well as doing festivals and gigs. We played a few new songs on tour in America and they went well. But we're not going to rush it though because we will make a good album. I'm not saying that we're going to wait three years - probably next year. I think we're going to record it after the summer."
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ALBUM REVIEW: Nine Black Alps - Everything Is (Universal/Island)
'Smells Like Teen Spirit' - now that's how you start an album. Although Nine Black Alps have clearly studied the complete works of Nirvana day and night, 'Everything Is' starts with the rather average, nay mediocre, 'Get Your Guns', a track which makes the Nirvana-Pixies quiet-loud-quiet-loud formula seem like the epitome of subtlety. However, things pick up magnificently with cracking previous singles 'Cosmopolitan' and 'Not Everyone', which you can already imagine being elbowed in the face to at a festival this summer. Real anthems, like. They're not the only good moments either. NBA bravely try their hand at acoustic balladry and end up looking not too shabby: 'Intermission' captures the melancholy Americana of Foo Fighters and Elliot Smith, even throwing in some crooning backing vocals and what sounds like (seriously!) a sitar solo. But sadly, 'Get Your Guns' isn't the only moment of mediocrity. There's a few tracks with no variation within them, songs that only do one thing, like fridges or radiators - handy, but hardly entertaining. And the album closes with 'Southern Cross', four minutes of NBA by numbers that's guaranteed not to set the world alight. So 'Everything Is' turns out to be a bit of a stale sandwich. But throw away the bread, pick the scabby bits off the filling and you've a delicious meal. WP
Release Date: 6 Jun
Press Contact: Island IH [all]
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CHART UPDATE
Now, I've a feeling Popbitch brought this up in their midweeks report - someone definitely commented on it last week - but there are two tracks actually moving up the top ten this week, meaning there are no new entries in the top three - something that's almost unheard of in this age of the 'one-week-mega-push-then-nothing' approach to marketing single releases.
But surely an organic rise in popularity is a good thing, so kudos to James Blunt for moving up from position 6 to position 2 on this week's chart with his track 'You're Beautiful', and to Audio Bullys whose rather fine version of Nancy Sinatra's 'Shot You Down' moves up from 7 to 3. It's just a shame neither could outsell the Crazy Frog, who is still sitting there at number one for the fourth week running. It was amusing when the ringtone track was stopping Coldplay from getting their number one, of course, but now it's just getting tedious.
As for the new entries, well they begin at 6 with Nelly's 'N Dey Say' followed up by DJ Sammy's 'Why' at 7, Green Day's excellent 'Wake Me Up When September Ends' at 8, Fightstar's 'Paint Your Target' at 9, Jem's lovely 'Just A Ride' at 16, Shakin Stevens' 'Trouble' and 'This Ole House' re-release at 20, Garbage's 'Sex Is Not The Enemy' at 24 (the Ils remix is particularly good), Basement Jaxx's 'U Don't Know Me' at 26, Cribs' 'Mirror Kissers' at 27, Dead 60s' 'Loaded Gun' at 28 and Slipknot's 'Before I Forget' at 35.
Albums chart, and Coldplay continue their unsurprising yet slightly depressing dominance with 'X&Y' pushing the Foo Fighters' new album 'In Your Honour' into second place. James Blunt moves up this chart too - with 'Back To Bedlam' moving up one spot to number three.
Other new entries include the rather fine Magic Numbers with their eponymously titled debut at 7. Then you've got the 'War Of The Worlds' soundtrack, though not the one to accompany the new Steven Speilberg film whose premiere made getting into the Capital Radio building very difficult last night, but the glorious Jeff Wayne musical version of old, remastered and rereleased presumably to coincide with the frenzy that is surrounding the aforementioned Spielberg flick. We hear a CGI animation version of the War Of The Worlds story set to the Wayne musical recording is in the making and might be released in 2007 - looking forward to that more than the Tom Cruise vehicle.
Other new entries in the album chart as follows: Backstreet Boys' 'Never Gone' at 11, Funeral For A Friend's 'Hours' at 12, UB40's 'Who You Fighting For' at 20, the Tony Christie best of thingy at 29, the Rory Gallagher best of thingy at 31, the Beach Boys best of thingy at 34, Ry Cooder at 35 and then the Deep Purple best of thingy at 39. Lovely.
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JACKO PLANNING POST-TRIAL PARTY
A very quick Jacko update this morning. Apparently Jackson has booked a local casino and is planning a celebration party for his family, friends and fans. No specifics have been announced as yet - although a spokesman for the Chumash Casino told reporters: "We don't know who will perform; we're just told the Jackson family is putting together an event for fans they have selected."
Meanwhile Jacko's lawyers have demanded the return of the singer's passport and a stack of stuff taken when police raided Neverland as part of their investigations, including Jackson's porn collection. Judge Rodney Melville has said Jackson's passport should be returned straight away but gave prosecutors thirty days to go through all the other stuff and decide whether they will apply to keep some of it. Chief prosecutor Tom Sneddon has already told reporters he will not return photos of Jackson's genitalia, taken as part of their investigations into the 1993 child abuse allegations - the photos are believed to be on the list of things Jacko's lawyers want returning.
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KARMA DOWNLOAD LAUNCH NEW CHARTS
Independent download site KarmaDownload are launching new weekly and monthly charts based on customer responses, sales stats and the opinions of the download platform's A&R team. There will be rock, dance and urban charts, which will appear on the Karma home page and in the relevant genre sections. Tracks on the chart will be available to download for 89p each - with the option to buy the whole top ten for £7.99.
Karma are also launching a new club night in London called Klub Karma. New bands will be showcased at the event, and recordings of those performances will be available to download from the Karma site - a similar set up to that run by rival download site TubeTribe, who record live sets at the Kill All Hippies rock night and make them available to download.
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HEINEKEN LAUNCH DOWNLOAD PROMOTION WITH WIPPIT
Talking of downloading, Heineken have announced a download deal with Wippit which will see lager drinkers able to download free tracks from the download site using codes on their drinks cans (well, they'll have to text those codes into a special SMS number to get a Wippit code, which sounds overly complicated to me, but you get the gist).
The Wippit promotion follows similar giveaways in the US where Heineken worked with RealNetworks, Sirius Satellite Radio, Ticketmaster and Rolling Stone magazine to stage a load of music type promotions.
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MUSIC FANS WOULD PREFER TO PAY FOR P2P THAN USE ITUNES OR NAPSTER
British music website PlayLouder has published a new survey which suggests that, while many music fans are still using illegal file sharing networks despite the arrival of legitimate download services like iTunes and Napster and the threat of legal action from the music industry trade bodies, they would be willing to pay to legally use P2P networks if such an option was available.
Of the 843 music fans polled, 90% downloaded music, but nearly half of those downloaders said they never paid for the music that they accessed via the internet. Two thirds said their preferred download file format was MP3, with only 5% opting for WMA, the Microsoft codec used by most of the major legit download platforms (except iTunes, of course). Over half said that they would prefer a legal P2P network to the differing options offered by legal download services, with 84% saying they would be willing to pay for such a service. 94% said they would be interested in an internet service provider that offered a legit P2P service, with 41% saying such a service might make them consider switching to a new ISP.
Of course PlayLouder are not completely independent on this topic - earlier this year they launched PlayLouder MSP, an internet service provider which offers customers access to a range of music services, including a legit P2P network. And a sample group of 843 people is hardly representative of the wider population - but nevertheless their survey makes for interesting reading.
Commenting on the report, PlayLouder MSP co-founder Paul Hitchman told reporters: "The response to our survey was immediate and overwhelmingly positive. The results clearly show that given the choice file-sharers would prefer to pay their ISP for a legal P2P service especially if it also offers them other music services such as live webcasts, radio and video streaming, and music discovery tools. If all ISPs in the UK were to offer such a service then this would already be generating more than £240 million p.a. in new revenues for the music industry".
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SINGLE REVIEW: Free Repeater - Columbian Bills (Rhyme and Reason)
It's a truth universally acknowledged that singles need more than interesting noises on them to snare the listener. Otherwise we'd all be lying in futuristic beanbags blissing out to Lou Reed's 'Metal Machine Music'. Chelmsford's Free Repeater (there's three words to send you to sleep) make some good noises - moody bass, unexpected computer game-like keyboards, discordant guitars - and they're good at polyphony, but they've produced a strangely unmemorable trio of songs here. Curiosity remains un-piqued. And repeat plays? Forget it. WP
Release Date: 6 Jun
Press Contact: Get Involved [all]
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JERRY LEE LEWIS COMPLETES SIXTH DIVORCE
Jerry Lee Lewis is a single man again after a Mississippi judge approved his sixth divorce settlement. A settlement was reached with Kerrie Lynn McCarver Lewis, now the rock 'n' roll star's sixth ex-wife, on the day the case was due to go to trial. The couple have been together since 1984 and have an 18 year old son - Jerry Lee Lewis III.
Speaking outside the courthouse, Lewis said: "It's been a long day and it's been an expensive day", but he confirmed he had got to keep his 16-hectare ranch in North Mississippi where the couple had lived, of which he said: "Sure, I plan to live there. It's been my home for about the past 40 years. That's where I'm going to be."
Lewis' road manager, JW Whitten, said the settlement cleared the way for Lewis to resume his regular concert schedule, and to complete work on a new album, due for an Autumn release.
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JOSS STONE FED UP OF LA LA
Joss Stone is reportedly desperate to return to the UK and see 'normal' people again after being freaked out by US fans. According to The Mirror, the singer was recently accosted by a rather angry man whilst having a drink in a Los Angeles bar.
A 'friend' told the tabloid: "The guy was full-on and started singing in her ear...when she told him she had a boyfriend he got up, smashed his glass on the table and stormed off."
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MARIAH CAREY PREFERS GAY MEN
Mariah Carey has told German Cinema magazine that she's slept with less than five men in her whole life, and that she prefers the company of gay men. When asked about her sexual partners the singer responded "I would need less than the fingers of one hand to count them all. I have had lots of boyfriends, but I did not have sex with most of them."
She added : "If I even look at a man, he immediately thinks: 'Oh, she fancies me'." - which is why she prefers hang out with gay men who don't make that assumption.
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QUEEN BUYS IPOD
And finally, word is the Queen has invested in an iPod and is reportedly very happy with her bit of digital music technology. No word yet on whether Steve Jobs will be slapping 'by royal approval' on the side of his boxes, though surely it's only a matter of time.